Nothing much to be said- Meeting lasted 2 hours as planned and here is a transcript of things said in LS chat:
[22:07:11]<Rathiel> okay let's get going ^^
[22:07:39]<Rathiel> real quick anyone who wants points for tonight send rath a tell saying "login" and nothing else
[22:08:17]<Rathiel> that'll start the new announcements^^
[22:08:53]<Rathiel> okay first off I hope everyone had a good december break^^
[22:08:59]<Rathiel> and happy new year
[22:09:17]<Rathiel> let's talk about points really quick and why I am having you all send tells
[22:09:49]<Rathiel> from now on thanks to our friend jigg (who you can thank in tells) points will be automated directly from my
[22:09:51]<Rathiel> game log
[22:10:09]<Rathiel> whenever you arrive at an LS event snd me a tell to start your point tally
[22:10:19]<Zaphod> ooh fancy ^^
[22:10:23]<Rathiel> whenever you are done send a tell saying "logoff"
[22:10:39]<Tempestwolf> Question, ï'Caps Lock keyï( matter?
[22:10:45]<Tikeru> ""?
[22:11:11]<Rathiel> no "" no caps no anythign special
[22:11:13]<Tempestwolf> K :D
[22:11:45]<Rathiel> for today i can find any capped ones and fix em
[22:12:00]<Rathiel> if you go afk during a run and it's more than a few mins please log out an in
[22:12:19]<Rathiel> this way I also know you are afk in case of drops/suicide train/wipe/etc
[22:12:33]<Rathiel> if it's hte tipical 2 min rr break that's fine
[22:12:44]<Rathiel> anything longer jsut send a logout and login
[22:13:14]<Rathiel> messing up a suicide pull cause i have surprise afk people gets everyone indigestion
[22:13:28]<Rathiel> so the login and out thing is importatn
[22:13:39]<Rathiel> now for the more important reasons
[22:13:59]<Rathiel> if the computer tallies them there is much less error
[22:14:15]<Rathiel> i really want to lighten load on officers and to be more fair
[22:14:30]<Rathiel> with this system you are resposible for your points
[22:14:39]<Rathiel> any questions there? /
[22:14:44]Jigg : if(player.name == "Jigg"){ player.points = player.points * 2; }
[22:14:46]Jigg : mt ><
[22:14:46]Rathiel : ooh
[22:14:51]<Danith> for returning players…
[22:14:58]Elliedra : programming!
[22:15:02]Nyena : lolz
[22:15:02]Elliedra : run away!
[22:15:03]Rathiel : lol jigg that is the secret rath modifier!!! ï'secretï(!!
[22:15:12]Jigg : lol
[22:15:16]<Rathiel> yes dan?
[22:15:40]<Danith> just all you said and start a new with points?
[22:15:57]<Rathiel> i will find old points and transfer them over
[22:16:13]<Rathiel> this will be explained in detail on the site btw
[22:16:31]<Danith> oh and if i didnt send the tell earlier like you asked is it safe to do that now >.>??
[22:16:37]<Rathiel> yes
[22:16:43]<Lenneth> was wonderin that myself
[22:17:07]<Rathiel> i'll be lenient the first few weeks till we all get used to it and announce it repeatedly
[22:17:16]<Rathiel> if you see anyone log on late please send them a tell
[22:17:25]<Ennayram> what about trial members?
[22:17:29]<Rathiel> send the tell
[22:17:33]<Danith> ï'Understood.ï(
[22:17:36]<Rathiel> trial members get points
[22:18:07]<Cyfirus> yo rath
[22:18:12]<Rathiel> okay so : whenever you get to an event and rath is on - /tell rathiel login (can be macroed)
[22:18:34]<Rathiel> whenever you leave (for AFK or for the night) -/tell rathiel logout
[22:18:35]<Endlessxchaos> so if we do it more than once, does it get tallied more?
[22:18:45]<Rathiel> it'll take hte first
[22:18:59]<Diavoletto> What if we forget to logout?
[22:19:05]<Cyfirus> rath…i got a question
[22:19:22]<Rathiel> if you forget to log out i will assume you left early and do the 1 point penatly
[22:19:46]<Rathiel> if you have pics or people remember you on at the end or you remind me soon enough after i will fix it
[22:20:03]<Rathiel> but we'll set a limit on how many times I am doing that per year
[22:20:26]<Ristar> how will we know if a run is 4 or 3 points?
[22:20:33]<Rathiel> good question
[22:20:40]<Ristar> will there be an announcement after each run?
[22:20:45]<Rathiel> let me get cyf first and i'll get to yours rist
[22:20:54]<Ristar> k
[22:21:00]<Cyfirus> rath
[22:21:03]<Rathiel> yes
[22:21:26]<Cyfirus> for our last dynamis round, i had saw on the point spreadsheet it didnt say i was there, but even zaph found
[22:21:30]<Cyfirus> me in tuly's ï'Screenshotï(s
[22:21:43]<Cyfirus> now it still hasnt been updated, it won't be forgotten, right?
[22:21:52]<Rathiel> cool - lol since that is being logged i'll look at it later
[22:22:08]<Rathiel> going back to rist's question
[22:22:34]<Rathiel> points will now be points per hour
[22:22:51]<Rathiel> since the computer can calculate exactly how much time you were there
[22:23:09]<Rathiel> it seemed the most fair to me
[22:23:27]<Nyena> i have a question rath
[22:23:29]<Rathiel> honestly on wednesday night sandoria's for me it takes a lot more effot to want to be there the 4 hours
[22:23:35]<Rathiel> yes ny?
[22:24:02]<Nyena> if someone is on your blist, your capture will miss them
[22:24:16]<Rathiel> yeah i have cleared my blist for this
[22:24:28]<Rathiel> and i have also taken care of anyone who was on my blist and in the shell
[22:24:35]<Rathiel> there is no longer an overlap
[22:24:41]<Wolfen> / so its going to be 1 hour = 1 point?
[22:25:04]<Rathiel> 2 points per hour - and i did kick anyone who was on my blist and in the shell
[22:25:14]<Rathiel> in case anyone missed the subtlety >.>
[22:25:40]<Rathiel> when Ny gets back from DC i'll see if she has any more questions with that
[22:25:51]<Rathiel> about point values those will change
[22:25:59]<Rathiel> it'll be 2 points per hour
[22:26:04]<Rathiel> with decimals
[22:26:17]<Rathiel> so 45 mins is 1.5 points - it's the joy of computers
[22:26:27]<Wolfen> 6mins = .1 of an hour
[22:26:32]<Cyfirus> …
[22:26:34]<Rathiel> you get .1 points then
[22:26:38]<Riconva> hi
[22:26:54]<Cyfirus> rath
[22:27:04]<Cyfirus> what about the cost of relic? is it staying the same?
[22:27:06]»Riconva : send me a tell saying loggin ^.^ and we'll catch you up on what you missed so far after
[22:27:38]<Rathiel> since the ammount of points will increase so will the cost of relic to keep it on par
[22:27:48]<Cyfirus> makes sense
[22:28:01]<Rathiel> it will no be a real increase
[22:28:03]<Rathiel> not*
[22:28:10]<Ristar> will old points be adjusted accordingly?
[22:28:39]<Rathiel> i will not go through and change old points since that would simply be more than i can do and there would be
[22:28:45]<Rathiel> way too many places for error
[22:29:21]Arawn : That does sound tedious
[22:29:21]Niomi : chalk d/c'd again does she /t rathiel login again when she's back?
[22:29:42]<Cyfirus> so you're just directly transfering?
[22:29:43]<Rathiel> i hope that's not too inconvenient- but I had to decide to stop somewhere
[22:29:47]<Rathiel> yes
[22:29:54]Tempestwolf : If she never said ï'/logoutï( then it never counts her outside of being logged in I'd guess
[22:30:03]<Cyfirus> well its no REAL loss to anyone since we're all subject to this change
[22:30:12]<Rathiel> yeah
[22:30:36]<Rathiel> if you DC you don't need to say login again :P since it's out of your hands
[22:30:39]<Diavoletto> So I will not get my points for the Dyna Windy I was marked as absent?
[22:30:46]<Rathiel> you will
[22:30:55]<Diavoletto> Ok.
[22:30:56]<Rathiel> after the general meeting please stay if you need personal fixes
[22:31:11]<Rathiel> we'll do the general stuff for now and i got my pen and worksheet rdy for after
[22:31:36]<Rathiel> okay any questions about points?
[22:31:57]Nyena» can i make a comment on how hard this is to do? and thank you?
[22:32:45]<Rathiel> please be sure to thank jiggy-this is no simple task and it will help us greatly to be more fair to everyone
[22:32:58]<Rathiel> points can be up quicker and are not subject to humen error
[22:33:05]<Rathiel> it's a lot of work
[22:33:38]<Rathiel> i really want to try and destressify myself and at the same time help everyone have less issues
[22:34:00]<Rathiel> which takes us to the next topic! unless there are points questions
[22:34:08]<Velvetj> will points still be posted weekly like it was?
[22:34:23]<Velvetj> in case a computer blows up or sometihng
[22:34:24]<Rathiel> they can be posted more than weekly if the program works as we plan
[22:34:31]<Cyfirus> good
[22:34:42]<Velvetj> cool
[22:34:49]<Rathiel> once hte product is finished it will take a few mins after runs to proccess then a quick cut and paste onto s
[22:34:52]<Rathiel> site* and done
[22:35:09]<Danith> was there a planned run today Rath? or just the meeting
[22:35:21]<Napalmman> ï'/waveï( ï'Linkshellï(
[22:35:28]<Cyfirus> napal, ur late
[22:35:34]<Napalmman> nope
[22:35:37]<Rathiel> that will be a surprise :)
[22:35:38]<Cyfirus> >.>
[22:35:43]<Napalmman> just got off work
[22:35:47]<Rathiel> lol ls chat closed again
[22:36:37]<Rathiel> okay so points behind us- let me talk about my current situation since people have asked
[22:37:00]<Rathiel> December was a very rough month for myself and almost all of hte officers
[22:37:21]<Rathiel> due to stress, personal reasons, traveling, family visits, and all kinds of stuff
[22:37:46]<Rathiel> in my case I am currently in Chile (EST+2 time) with my family until august
[22:38:01]<Rathiel> i had to pack up my entire life and leave the country in 2 weeks
[22:38:09]<Rathiel> which is why i missed some runs
[22:38:14]<Tikeru> 2 days *
[22:38:20]<Rathiel> yeah
[22:38:24]<Rathiel> lol good catch tik
[22:38:31]<Cyfirus> wow so like
[22:38:34]<Cyfirus> i thought i had it bad
[22:38:38]Endlessxchaos : duh duh duh, deported >..
[22:38:44]<Rathiel> tik was at my house thursday the 15th at 4 am to help me pack and drop me off at the airport
[22:38:45]Cyfirus : LOL
[22:39:03]<Rathiel> anyway
[22:39:04]Zaphod : naw he just wanted to experience back to back summer ^^
[22:39:13]<Tikeru> Not deported*
[22:39:14]Lenneth : good enough reason
[22:39:21]<Rathiel> there were a few rumours about me not wanting to lead the shell and all kinds of other stuff
[22:39:23]<Cyfirus> how could that not arouse the curiousity as to WHY that happened? >.>
[22:39:29]Endlessxchaos : lol, i wasnt serious >.>
[22:39:38]Velvetj : Big Mike from down the street was looking for him…
[22:39:43]<Rathiel> I've been very sick all year and decided i needed to go home for treatment to get better
[22:39:44]Cyfirus : >.>
[22:39:48]Ristar : ah man i missed all the gossip///
[22:39:50]Endlessxchaos : lmao
[22:39:50]Lenneth : haha VJ
[22:39:59]<Rathiel> and if i wanted to be home for christmas i had to take whatever flight i could
[22:40:03]Tempestwolf : Clearly he went for the women guys
[22:40:08]Tikeru cheers Rathiel on!
[22:40:12]Lenneth : or the food
[22:40:28]Endlessxchaos : rath and women, ï'Hmmm.ï( something dont seem right there….
[22:40:34]<Rathiel> lol anyway
[22:40:56]<Rathiel> there were a lot of rumours, I was really stressed out and got a lot of nasty tells from people
[22:41:11]<Cyfirus> just give me some names
[22:41:17]<Cyfirus> ill hunt em down
[22:41:21]<Cyfirus> *cocks rifle*
[22:41:25]<Rathiel> lol
[22:41:27]<Rathiel> anyway
[22:41:27]Endlessxchaos : let me know who they were and ill hunt them down and sit on them
[22:41:33]Riconva : /
[22:41:33]Wolfen : cyf .,., shhhh
[22:42:03]<Rathiel> i did get my feelings hurt a good deal and did almost leave the game cause of it- but I decided not to
[22:42:05]Ristar : i was glad to get a xmas break…
[22:42:08]Cyfirus : sorry but no one picks on my leader
[22:42:12]Cyfirus : i will ???? YOU UP
[22:42:14]Cyfirus : >.>
[22:42:19]<Rathiel> you should thank the officers on that one they put up with a lot of emo-ness from me
[22:42:25]Niomi : Screw those bitches harassing Rath
[22:42:35]<Rathiel> but all things are well now
[22:43:21]<Rathiel> what i need you all to do to make my life easier is to listen tonight and be more kind and patient
[22:43:27]<Rathiel> we do try our best
[22:43:32]Novina : hope you are feeling alot better rath need you to be in tiptop shape to deal with all of us hehe
[22:43:51]<Rathiel> i will say a lot of stuff you can do to help out in the LS tonight- grab a pen and see if there is anything
[22:43:54]<Rathiel> you can do yourself
[22:44:27]<Rathiel> anyway points and emo rath out of the way let's move on to how we can all help improve the shell
[22:44:39]Nyena cheers!
[22:44:56]<Rathiel> new website test: soymilkls.wikidot.com
[22:45:11]Diavoletto : Is it up?
[22:45:22]Velvetj : we're a wiki?
[22:45:26]Tikeru : in progress but up
[22:45:28]<Rathiel> and yes this new site is a wiki- if you do not know what a wiki is please read the tutorial provided by my
[22:45:40]<Rathiel> RL brother- it's a video and it's funny
[22:45:53]Hipponopolis made first forum post
[22:46:04]Cyfirus : lol "it's funny"
[22:46:08]Tikeru King Rath the First for President!
[22:46:22]<Rathiel> the idea of a wiki is that ALL can help build hte site
[22:46:39]Niomi : IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII suck at wiki template edits
[22:46:51]<Rathiel> there are a lot of things that need to be moved from the old site, I need people to add themselves to rostets
[22:46:54]Riconva : rath bro play?
[22:46:57]<Rathiel> and there is all kinds of stuff to do
[22:47:02]Tikeru : that'd be cool
[22:47:04]Rathiel : he doesn't jsut helped me out
[22:47:24]Tikeru : I wrote a poem
[22:47:33]<Rathiel> the SM Wiki Project will go for 1 month. Everyone who contributes to the site will get point rewards
[22:47:42]<Cyfirus> wicked!!!
[22:47:43]Hipponopolis : a what?
[22:47:45]Tikeru : there once was a man named rath…
[22:47:51]<Rathiel> if at the end of the month people have picked up on helping with the site we will keep the site
[22:47:55]Tikeru : who decided to take a bath…
[22:48:02]<Niomi> What if you suck at editing wiki-esque sites but you want to contribute info?
[22:48:07]<Rathiel> this will help officers a LOT- i don't want to worry so much about site management
[22:48:23]<Rathiel> if you can get this to work you get points and we can all be more relaxed
[22:48:47]<Niomi> So learn or die?
[22:48:56]<Rathiel> minimal things to do is go though and add your self to roster, add yourself to the gear wishlist, make
[22:49:00]Hipponopolis nods.
[22:49:01]<Rathiel> yourself a profile page, etc
[22:49:07]<Rathiel> you will get points for all of that
[22:49:29]Tikeru : he cut-up-a-rug … and pulled the plug
[22:49:30]<Rathiel> i will not go into detail on how to use a wiki- there are tutorials on the navigation bar on the site
[22:49:44]Tikeru : then graduated with a degree in math >.>
[22:50:19]<Rathiel> access to the site wil be by invitation- once you create a wikidot.com account go to the forums and ask for
[22:50:21]Hipponopolis : I made my own wiki sight too :p
[22:50:27]<Rathiel> an invitation
[22:50:32]<Rathiel> the instructions are there
[22:50:38]<Rathiel> take time and look through the site
[22:50:54]<Rathiel> you wil find a lot of dead links- if you add any of those pages or hook links up you get points
[22:51:09]<Rathiel> it's as easy as copy from old site and paste into new one and then make it pretty
[22:51:35]Velvetj is gonna link Endless to a big picture of ham.
[22:51:36]<Rathiel> address again is soymilkls.wikidot.com
[22:51:46]<Rathiel> get it going- help keep the LS going
[22:52:25]<Rathiel> read all the pages you find- edit spelling errors- make your profie- add your info to lists-
[22:52:34]<Rathiel> anything you do will be logged as done y you
[22:52:40]<Zaphod> gdi somebody already got my name ; ;
[22:52:42]Tikeru : rath can approve or disapprove changes as well
[22:52:55]Cyfirus : do and undo
[22:53:12]Lenneth : editing rathanese , would seem funny
[22:53:13]<Rathiel> i can disapprove changes if needed so dont be scared to get your hands in there
[22:53:29]<Endlessxchaos> you rnot allowed ot put a penis on the fornt page!
[22:53:29]<Tikeru> Use your own names please when creating an account if you can
[22:53:38]Tikeru : Penis!
[22:53:40]<Velvetj> wangs are ok
[22:53:42]<Rathiel> this is a real point bonus- while af cost will increase to match the run points it wont increase for this
[22:53:44]Jigg : lol we can add a Rathanese Dictionary!
[22:53:54]Lenneth : yes!
[22:53:59]<Rathiel> lol anyway- questions on the site?
[22:54:10]Rathiel : you get bonuses for addind rathanese as a page on the wiki
[22:54:28]<Zaphod> how come it's in English and Polish?
[22:54:32]Elliedra : english-to-Rathenese dictionary?
[22:54:34]<Rathiel> tik wrote a poem about me today and is adding it to my profile- he'll get some points for that
[22:54:35]<Cyfirus> haha i wondered that myself
[22:54:39]<Hipponopolis> waiting for my invite
[22:54:41]<Rathiel> lol ignore that
[22:54:43]<Velvetj> the approval/disapproval part, does that happen for each change, or do you just edit
[22:54:46]Nyena : the english polish part is my favorite part of the site
[22:54:49]<Rathiel> jsut edi
[22:54:53]<Rathiel> tedit*
[22:54:56]<Rathiel> i approve later
[22:54:57]Tikeru : we can call it "the official rath-an-ease! dictionary"
[22:55:05]<Velvetj> lol
[22:55:09]Lenneth : lol
[22:55:13]<Elliedra> oooh Tik I like that!
[22:55:20]Elliedra : mt sorry Rath ï'/blushï(
[22:55:26]<Niomi> Rathanese is easy. Here is in English "Let's go team, to the west", and in Rathanese, just miss every 3 letters
[22:55:31]<Rathiel> seriously though - I hope you've all seen wikipedia.org and ffxiclopedia.org
[22:55:35]<Niomi> mt >.> supposed to be in say
[22:55:41]Lenneth : indeed nio
[22:55:42]<Rathiel> they are both wiki sites and there is a lot of fun and learning that can be done there
[22:55:53]Tikeru : they rock!!!
[22:55:53]Niomi : XD
[22:56:05]Lenneth : add a RPK guide XD
[22:56:09]Velvetj : now I can spend my time at work writing for a wiki
[22:56:15]<Cyfirus> i love wiki
[22:56:21]<Cyfirus> its the online discovery channel
[22:56:24]Tikeru : rath-an-EASE to portuguese…. i'm doing it!
[22:56:31]<Rathiel> write guides, post a <job > macro guide - do whatever you can to help the LS be better
[22:56:54]<Rathiel> anythign you can think of that you write on site that is either useful or at least funny for all will get you
[22:56:57]<Rathiel> points at the end of hte month
[22:57:28]<Rathiel> post pics you have of LS members onto their profiles, post raltga comparing MP to weed quotes, etc
[22:57:40]Napalmman : LOL
[22:57:43]<Rathiel> anything you have will help make it better
[22:57:43]Endlessxchaos : haha
[22:57:46]Tikeru : ROFL
[22:57:50]Elliedra : I love that one
[22:57:50]Lenneth : lol … MP to pot eh
[22:57:56]Raltga : you all know im your hero ;p
[22:58:09]Nyena cheers Raltga on!
[22:58:12]<Rathiel> make a RPK page with pictures of how rath got you killed
[22:58:12]Napalmman : <3 Ralt
[22:58:17]Jigg : I'll post DRG Guide to Killing your WHM >.>
[22:58:21]<Rathiel> you can edit anyone else's work and add to it to make it better
[22:58:29]Danith : its probably in my face but i am having troubles finding out how to become a member on that site, its not
[22:58:37]Danith : simple like guild portal.
[22:58:49]Tikeru : top right corner dan
[22:58:51]Jigg : i went to www.wikidot.com and it's in the upper right
[22:59:15]<Rathiel> i hope and any questions about the new SM Wiki Project? tonight after this I will invite anyone who
[22:59:22]<Rathiel> posted the request in the forums
[22:59:55]<Rathiel> questions on site? last call? /
[23:00:12]<Rathiel> there is a forum area jsut for questions- use that if you think of any later
[23:00:18]<Cyfirus> rath
[23:00:23]<Rathiel> yes?
[23:00:31]<Cyfirus> where on forum do we post
[23:00:36]<Cyfirus> for the invite or w.e
[23:01:02]<Rathiel> http://soymilkls.wikidot.com/what-i-need-to-do-after-i-am-a-member is the tutorial
[23:01:07]Endlessxchaos : wow misstyped my email addy 3 times….
[23:01:08]Arawn : Forums Cyf
[23:01:16]Nyena looks at Endlessxchaos and sighs dejectedly.
[23:01:16]Lenneth : lolz
[23:01:17]<Rathiel> it's on the top navigation bar if you jsut want to click and are confused
[23:01:27]Lenneth pokes Nyena.
[23:01:33]<Rathiel> any other site questions for now?
[23:01:34]Arawn : access headinbg
[23:01:46]<Napalmman> rath
[23:01:50]<Rathiel> yes?
[23:02:03]<Napalmman> you should add a link on old ls site for new site
[23:02:08]<Hipponopolis> /
[23:02:20]<Napalmman> cause if your lik me im net serfing retarded
[23:02:28]<Rathiel> lol you can do that yourself for points once you are registered
[23:02:33]<Rathiel> but good idea
[23:02:35]Tikeru» did your brother make that video?
[23:02:44]»Tikeru : he found it and edited it for me
[23:02:51]Tikeru» rofl
[23:03:15]<Rathiel> and jsut so you know that will be the answer for any improvements you suggest for the site
[23:03:31]<Rathiel> not to be mean but to help everyone participate and get their bonuses
[23:05:09]<Rathiel> and first month is trial which is why i am not saying now how muc i'll awards
[23:05:12]Danith : lol i sat through the whole how to use wiki thing that was linked to youtube…
[23:05:19]Jigg : it's under Form > Applicant, Visitor & Trial Member Questions
[23:05:31]<Rathiel> i don't want it to become a cheap way to "buy" points but i want to reward meaningful contribution
[23:05:48]Danith : then i found that you had to reply to a thread to get access >.>
[23:05:53]<Rathiel> anything you do to improve the site means officers don't have to stress over it
[23:06:16]Endlessxchaos : lol not seeing hwo to add myself ot teh roster or join
[23:06:27]<Rathiel> i will post a more detailed tutorial on the site under SM Wiki Project you can search for it later
[23:06:35]Jigg : can't add yourself til approved :p
[23:06:43]<Rathiel> no worries i can answer specific questions after
[23:06:57]<Rathiel> you cant make any changes on the site or do anythign till i invite you in
[23:07:04]<Rathiel> so dont stress yet ^.^
[23:07:11]<Endlessxchaos> ahh
[23:07:24]Jigg wants to edit NOW!!!!!!1!!!!!!111!!!!!!~~~~~
[23:07:26]<Rathiel> that is on purpose so people wont run off to do that while we do meeting
[23:07:34]Nyena looks at Jigg and sighs dejectedly.
[23:07:51]<Cyfirus> cant edit until u gain access lol
[23:07:56]<Rathiel> anyone who got here late please send me a tell with the word "login" and nothing else
[23:07:56]<Cyfirus> so either way
[23:08:56]<Rathiel> ok so points, rath stress, and site are covered- specific quesitons after the meeting
[23:09:08]<Rathiel> changes to recruitment:
[23:09:33]<Rathiel> all recruits are now voted on by the whole LS through the wiki forums
[23:09:42]<Rathiel> all trial members will be done the same way
[23:10:00]<Rathiel> these votes will be open to all LS members and visible to the people being voted on
[23:10:23]<Rathiel> those people cannot reply though but will get a chance to explain any issues brought up by members
[23:10:37]<Rathiel> members who vote will be rewarded points for voting
[23:11:08]<Rathiel> applicants and trial member will ned the support of 80% of the shell- which means more have to vote
[23:11:18]<Rathiel> if you do not vote the shell will not gorw
[23:11:21]<Rathiel> grow
[23:11:30]<Cyfirus> its like government
[23:11:32]<Cyfirus> >.>
[23:11:40]<Rathiel> agaisn taking it off hte officer's hands and putting it into the members
[23:11:51]Danith : just remember the government does lie to us at times, its their jobs.
[23:12:01]<Rathiel> there will be a vote tutorial if you search for "vote" on the site
[23:12:03]Lenneth : heh
[23:12:03]Cyfirus : uh huh
[23:12:04]<Rathiel> once i write it
[23:12:10]<Napalmman> seems like its getting easier to get points
[23:12:25]<Rathiel> yes-
[23:12:33]<Rathiel> i am also reserving officer's right to veto
[23:13:05]<Rathiel> if you need to say anythign about an applilcant you dont want seen by them you will send me a private message
[23:13:29]<Rathiel> if i investigate the situation and it decide it's bad enough I will reject the person regardless of vote
[23:13:46]<Rathiel> this is to protect the shell- even if it
[23:13:52]<Rathiel> sounds less democratic
[23:14:11]<Rathiel> other officers will also have this right and can bring it up in officer forum
[23:14:35]<Rathiel> lastly we are changing the 8 run to begin lotting rule
[23:14:45]<Rathiel> it will become a point amount instead
[23:15:09]<Rathiel> so once TrialMember gets X amount of points they can get voted on for full member
[23:15:26]Wolfen : could we require them to write a paragraph about themselves (jobs, special equip how they add to ls) & one from 2 spons
[23:15:27]<Nyena> k. i have a question
[23:15:29]<Rathiel> you cannot lot until after the vote- it is your resposibility to request your vote in LS forums
[23:15:37]Wolfen : so we have an idea about them
[23:15:47]<Rathiel> yes ny?
[23:15:49]Wolfen : instead of voting blilnd sometimes
[23:16:06]Rathiel : lol those are the applications, you can read them ^^
[23:16:06]<Niomi> Just made me think of something since I d/ed >.> Do I have to ï'/tellï( login again when I come back?
[23:16:12]<Rathiel> nope
[23:16:12]<Nyena> points per day or points total? just trying to clear things up for those who attend both days
[23:16:18]<Rathiel> total
[23:16:18]Wolfen : ah okay thanks then
[23:16:39]<Rathiel> just makign it a lil simpler
[23:16:51]Arawn : So it's overall points
[23:17:06]<Rathiel> once a trial member gets 50 points (for example) tehy will request they get voted on
[23:17:17]<Rathiel> 50 points (adding sun and wed)
[23:17:32]<Rathiel> then anyone can move and paste their application over and we can all vote
[23:17:45]<Napalmman> /
[23:17:46]Wolfen : so one set of points no longer 2 sets?
[23:17:52]<Rathiel> if a trial member ever wants to lot - it is in their interest to request the vote
[23:17:53]<Ennayram> so those who attend both days will have a clear point advantage in lotting over those who attend one day?
[23:17:56]<Rathiel> i will not worry about it
[23:17:57]<Endlessxchaos> are both days still seperate?
[23:17:59]<Rathiel> yes
[23:18:02]<Rathiel> nope
[23:18:06]<Rathiel> lol hold on
[23:18:20]<Rathiel> to enna- if you come both days you will get made full mamber quicker
[23:18:29]<Rathiel> to endless0 points are stil separate
[23:18:42]<Ennayram> i mean after being a full member
[23:18:56]<Endlessxchaos> cool
[23:19:00]<Rathiel> points are only added to apply to full member - in no other situation
[23:19:12]<Ennayram> ok ty
[23:19:14]<Endlessxchaos> ï'Understood.ï(
[23:19:31]<Ristar> rath
[23:19:44]<Tempestwolf> 50 points is how many a Trial members needs to become full?
[23:19:44]<Rathiel> i just dont want to have to remember 4 people a week who need to be voted on so please request your own votes
[23:19:58]<Rathiel> the 50 points is jsut an example i haven't decided yet on the amounts
[23:19:58]Enano : no that was an example
[23:20:00]<Tempestwolf> Just checking, thought it might have been a random number ya used
[23:20:06]<Rathiel> random number
[23:20:09]<Tempestwolf> kk that's what I thought ^^
[23:20:12]<Tempestwolf> Ty
[23:20:13]<Rathiel> and yes rist?
[23:20:18]<Ristar> what's the limit on webiste points?
[23:20:25]<Ristar> sorry forgot to ask
[23:20:34]<Rathiel> we will see how much people do the first month and decide then
[23:20:50]<Tempestwolf> Make it based on votes <.<
[23:20:55]<Rathiel> i dont want to say 1 point per change and then find myself giving away thousands of points
[23:20:58]<Tempestwolf> If someone had a lot of no's make it cost more points
[23:21:17]<Rathiel> we'll see those values as they come in order to make informed choices
[23:21:23]<Tempestwolf> I unno, sorry thinking outloud *Goes back to silence*
[23:21:41]<Rathiel> any questions on changes to recruitement?
[23:22:04]<Raltga> /
[23:22:10]<Rathiel> yes ralt?
[23:22:25]<Raltga> any member that was a full member before will remain so regardless of current points?
[23:22:29]<Rathiel> yes
[23:22:37]<Raltga> ï'wordï( thank you
[23:22:38]<Rathiel> none of this will be retroactive
[23:23:05]<Ennayram> / question
[23:23:08]<Rathiel> yes enna?
[23:23:35]<Ennayram> initially when i joined, it was four runs to become a full member and be able to lot, will that change?
[23:23:59]<Rathiel> i if you were already allowed to lot we will keep it that way
[23:24:16]<Rathiel> this will apply to applicants from now on
[23:24:17]<Ennayram> and if not?
[23:24:36]<Diavoletto> What if I only did 2 runs so far?
[23:24:37]<Rathiel> i will make case by case decision- ask me after if you are on trial atm
[23:24:54]<Rathiel> depending on what we got i may have you voted on or just let it go
[23:25:25]<Rathiel> is that cool?
[23:25:37]<Ennayram> lol we'll see :p
[23:25:43]<Rathiel> :)
[23:26:21]<Rathiel> okay moving on
[23:26:34]<Rathiel> item costs will change to match the point inflation
[23:26:44]<Rathiel> it will be announced b4 the next run
[23:27:00]<Rathiel> about officers
[23:27:13]<Rathiel> i did release all officers at the end of last year
[23:27:39]<Rathiel> so i will be askign for new officers
[23:27:54]<Rathiel> i will make a post with what I need and what the responsibilities are
[23:28:06]<Rathiel> all are allowed to apply to anythign they can commit to
[23:28:21]<Rathiel> all jobs will have 2 people covering them and they will be asked to split the time
[23:28:37]<Rathiel> they can do every other month, every other run, wed or sunday howver they choose
[23:29:16]<Rathiel> I will -not- allow for officer burnout. It is the #1 cause I loose friends in this game
[23:29:30]<Rathiel> offiers will receive rewards at the end of each month of work
[23:29:34]<Rathiel> officers*
[23:29:53]<Cyfirus> thats hot
[23:29:56]<Rathiel> they may receive points, gil, attendance waivers etc
[23:30:07]<Rathiel> it will be negotiated at the time of contract
[23:30:31]<Rathiel> what this means to the general public
[23:30:49]<Rathiel> Please do not jsut harrass anyone you see as an offier or old member
[23:31:04]<Rathiel> there will be people posted on the site and their resposibilites will be clear
[23:31:11]<Rathiel> check there who you need to talk to
[23:31:44]<Rathiel> also use the site forums or messaging system to send quesitons/concerns/complaints/ideas/suggestions/etc
[23:32:00]<Rathiel> i want it all documented so we make sure you dont get lost in the cracks
[23:32:18]<Rathiel> officers will be penalized their pay if they take any complaints in-game
[23:32:41]<Rathiel> there must be a message from you in forums or the messaging system
[23:33:25]<Rathiel> this means no issues will be dealt with right before or after a run unless it is a complete emergency
[23:33:40]<Ristar> question
[23:33:43]<Rathiel> yes
[23:34:06]<Ristar> webste points will be distributed for both days?
[23:34:15]<Rathiel> i will ask you how you want it done
[23:34:20]<Rathiel> b4 i add
[23:34:24]<Ristar> k
[23:34:35]<Rathiel> back to officers
[23:34:59]<Rathiel> so to give you the idea- i want officers to be able to play the game and do their duties only in the times
[23:35:02]<Rathiel> they so choose
[23:35:16]<Rathiel> i do not want to feel like I am punishing people when i make them officers
[23:35:35]<Cyfirus> otherwise, no one would step up >.>
[23:35:50]<Rathiel> if you are screenshoteed repeating quesitons once you are asked to send a message or post you will be
[23:35:56]<Rathiel> penalized
[23:36:36]<Rathiel> so use officers through the site and only during SM times- at other times let them play and have fun
[23:36:48]<Rathiel> they pay money to enjoy the game
[23:37:02]<Rathiel> if they ask you to post or send a message do not push the quesiton
[23:37:11]Cyfirus : (if you notice, rath is tellin you to leave him alone >.>)
[23:37:21]<Rathiel> any emergencies will be handled by me though
[23:37:41]<Rathiel> any questions on officer use?
[23:37:46]Enano : i think its a very good idea
[23:38:11]Enano : its annoying being in a xp party and getting some douche sending tells about ls stuff that could wait lol
[23:38:12]Rathiel : lol it's not that I don't mind I just have reading logs of officers being harrassed while they do salvage or cussed
[23:38:17]Rathiel : at mid-run
[23:38:20]<Rathiel> end?
[23:38:29]<Endlessxchaos> u said, if your an officer, uc an handle the problem when u see fit
[23:38:30]Rathiel : lol enano has hte idea
[23:38:35]<Rathiel> yes
[23:38:37]<Endlessxchaos> but if were SS;d handling it ingame were penalized?
[23:38:39]Enano : :p
[23:38:51]<Ristar> someone cussed out an officer?
[23:38:56]<Rathiel> if you are SS'd harrassing after being told to use forums/messages yes
[23:38:57]Ristar : oops
[23:39:09]Rathiel : lol ask ame how mnay times she's been cussed at
[23:39:10]<Napalmman> ï'questionï(
[23:39:12]<Endlessxchaos> ahh ok, i get it now, nm me
[23:39:19]Lenneth : o.0
[23:39:21]Ristar : they must have had balls of steel
[23:39:21]<Rathiel> yes?
[23:39:25]Tikeru : not the officer … the harasser
[23:39:29]Lenneth : or insane
[23:39:43]<Napalmman> how can u SS chat if u on ps2 ect
[23:39:50]<Rathiel> magic
[23:39:51]Tikeru : cant…
[23:39:51]<Rathiel> >.>
[23:39:55]Enano : he means if your an officer and somebody sends you a tell regarding ls problems
[23:39:55]<Tikeru> /
[23:39:59]Arawn : …
[23:39:59]<Napalmman> for the officer thing
[23:40:04]<Rathiel> i am not allowed due to terms of service to answer that questions
[23:40:15]Enano : and you ask them to post it on site but they keep bugging you you can SS it and ahve them penalized
[23:40:15]<Endlessxchaos> okay so if ur an officer and u decide ot handle teh harrasement ingame ur not penalized?
[23:40:19]<Rathiel> i will work that out with officers the game does keep logs though
[23:40:33]Novina : that works imo
[23:40:35]Ristar : yeah so no more asking about runs coming up for me -_-
[23:40:43]Enano : no the officer isnt penalized just the person thats bugging the officer
[23:40:45]<Rathiel> I decide that- If I feel you are letting yourself be abused in any way or burning yourself out I will talk to
[23:40:47]<Rathiel> the officer
[23:40:49]Enano : for not following instructions
[23:40:58]<Hipponopolis> do we get a {GM} Title? :p
[23:40:58]<Rathiel> and there will be a penalty
[23:41:03]<Endlessxchaos> i am confused as heck sry. no sleep past 2 days
[23:41:14]Tikeru : Judge Tikeru!
[23:41:28]Rathiel : lol I like hte idea of calling them judges
[23:41:40]Tikeru : long live King Rath the First
[23:41:53]Raltga : judge is pwn
[23:41:54]<Rathiel> summarize- officers will be discouraged of doing officer stuff outside their set time
[23:41:59]Lenneth : tik should be smoked then bbq'd b4 eaten
[23:42:07]<Rathiel> members will be discouraged of using officers outside their set time
[23:42:15]Tikeru : I agree… id be way tasty
[23:42:22]Rathiel : too greasy
[23:42:25]<Napalmman> can u dumb that down?
[23:42:31]<Hipponopolis> / question
[23:42:44]Tikeru : officers do their duties when they want to… not when the harasser wants…
[23:42:49]<Enano> basically if your an officer
[23:42:53]Lenneth : not if ya slow roast him , rath
[23:42:55]<Enano> and i have problems with points
[23:43:07]<Enano> i send you a tell but you ask me to wait later or post on forums
[23:43:14]<Enano> but i continue to harrash/spam
[23:43:19]Tikeru : exactly!
[23:43:21]<Enano> you can SS it and have me penalized for it
[23:43:24]<Rathiel> yes
[23:43:26]<Rathiel> ï'Thank you.ï(
[23:43:33]<Enano> np
[23:43:35]Tikeru : enano hits it on the Napalmman head
[23:43:35]Ristar : i wouldn't call askin about runs coming up harrassing….
[23:43:48]<Rathiel> i'll explain the officer side to officers since it doesn't concern the rest
[23:43:49]Enano : well its not but
[23:44:11]Rathiel : lol askign ten times in 2 mins or cussing at you cause you dont answer right away is harrasing
[23:44:12]Enano : if its asked by the same person repeadately on some issues that could wait
[23:44:26]Ristar : ah
[23:44:37]Ristar : ok that makes more sense
[23:44:43]Enano : its basically to protect you as an officer
[23:44:46]Tikeru : eat me!
[23:44:54]Enano : do you come with mustard?
[23:44:56]<Rathiel> i don't want to loose ultima fights cause I cant count shadows properly due to /tell spam for example
[23:44:58]Napalmman eats Tikeru.
[23:44:58]Lenneth : get on the grill tik
[23:45:07]Tikeru hops on the grill
[23:45:08]<Rathiel> you'll get the hang of what harrassing is
[23:45:21]<Endlessxchaos> lol, so tahst happened during bahamut…
[23:45:22]<Rathiel> just listen to what the officers tell you and be courtious of other's time
[23:45:23]Tikeru : I like my Tikeru medium please
[23:45:30]Tempestwolf : God I hate that, when you're tanking something and EVERYONE is /telling you ;; lol
[23:45:37]Lenneth grabs the mesquite bbq sauce.
[23:45:39]<Endlessxchaos> bah more MT
[23:45:50]<Rathiel> lol any more quesitons on officers?
[23:45:51]Nyena» tell them to say thank you sometimes. officers really dig that
[23:46:07]<Enano> do they get shiny boots and red capes/
[23:46:12]<Rathiel> yes
[23:46:29]Tikeru : i dont want a red cape
[23:46:33]<Rathiel> i will post the available positions in the site announcements
[23:46:35]Tikeru : pink please!
[23:46:39]Rathiel : you can have pink
[23:46:43]Endlessxchaos : i want gold hair >.>
[23:46:56]<Rathiel> all members can apply but I will expect serious commitment there
[23:46:57]Tikeru : I want a moogle hat
[23:46:59]Diavoletto : Gold hair is Taru only.
[23:47:17]Lenneth : i want black hair >.>
[23:47:19]Raltga shakes his golden hair…
[23:47:25]<Rathiel> all previous officers will get priority or have the choice of becoming advisors
[23:47:31]Tikeru cheers Raltga on!
[23:47:40]<Rathiel> there will be paymetn of one sort or another to officers and advisors
[23:47:52]<Rathiel> that will be decided on at the time of contract
[23:48:02]<Rathiel> and archived
[23:48:05]Raltga smiles warmly.
[23:48:39]<Rathiel> oh
[23:48:42]<Rathiel> relic upgrades
[23:48:54]<Rathiel> this years it's my relic horn upgrade :P
[23:49:02]Nyena gives a triumphant cry!
[23:49:03]Chibibelle : =]
[23:49:03]Zaphod cheers Rathiel on!
[23:49:05]<Danith> haha
[23:49:07]<Rathiel> lol you can object in tells if you want :)
[23:49:08]Elliedra cheers Rathiel on!
[23:49:09]Cyfirus gives a triumphant cry with Rathiel!
[23:49:17]Elliedra : Play me Jazz Flute!
[23:49:22]<Cyfirus> i'm sure that wouldn't do much :P
[23:49:26]<Rathiel> after this one gets done we'll try and choose our next one all together
[23:49:27]Lenneth : lol
[23:49:28]Nyena : i will personally cut off the head of anyone who objects!
[23:49:29]Enano» i object
[23:49:34]Danith : the government is absolute! SILENCE!
[23:49:36]<Tempestwolf> I have a request Rath… ^^
[23:49:39]<Cyfirus> probably aegis for one of the tanks
[23:49:39]Enano» should get horn and dagger!
[23:49:43]Endlessxchaos objects, kikoku is pretty <.<
[23:49:51]Enano» bard that can DD
[23:49:55]<Rathiel> enano objects and demand I get both horn AND dagger on brd
[23:50:02]<Enano> ^^
[23:50:05]<Rathiel> lol
[23:50:10]Hipponopolis» horn is SWEET!! :D
[23:50:12]<Kurosawa> /heartattack
[23:50:27]Elliedra still wants a Relic Pony…
[23:50:28]Niomi» I object then for Horn, dagger, AND ï'Um…ï( a kiss?
[23:50:29]<Rathiel> anyway we will try an be more open about bank goals and work a little more focused
[23:50:36]Lenneth laughs at ellie.
[23:50:42]Nyena is sure relic ponies drop from the DL.
[23:50:51]<Cyfirus> oh rath
[23:50:52]Belan : lol ny
[23:50:54]Elliedra : … we gotta beat DL then.
[23:50:55]<Cyfirus> i have a question
[23:51:02]Nyena nods.
[23:51:05]Lenneth thinks Ny is hidin the ponies.
[23:51:07]<Rathiel> we will annoucne when a run is a coin farming run and we will keep bank totals on site at all times
[23:51:13]<Rathiel> yes?
[23:51:27]<Cyfirus> ur probably going to bring it up but whats with this ï'Dynamis - Tavnaziaï(
[23:51:33]<Rathiel> i
[23:51:33]<Cyfirus> just incase you dont
[23:51:45]<Rathiel> I'lll get to that one soon
[23:51:51]<Cyfirus> kk
[23:52:03]<Rathiel> that's upgrade, bank and attendance stuff will stay the same
[23:52:14]<Rathiel> except now you get to make the thread for a date if you need it
[23:52:20]<Rathiel> and you can with the wiki a lot easier
[23:52:28]Raltga : im suprised no one is backing the "get raltga claustrum" idea so i can mellee smn soymilk to victory against DL ;P
[23:52:43]Endlessxchaos : lol claustrum
[23:52:48]Lenneth : lol whats that ral
[23:52:48]Enano : i think snarf has one
[23:52:49]Kurosawa : lol
[23:52:55]Tempestwolf : He does Enano
[23:52:58]Enano : wored it for 3 days and been in storage for over 2 years
[23:53:05]Rathiel : lol
[23:53:05]Tempestwolf : Saw him use it on Kirin few months back
[23:53:09]Tikeru : are you smoking mp again?
[23:53:10]<Raltga> lol
[23:53:11]<Raltga> mt
[23:53:15]Raltga : lol
[23:53:15]Lenneth : prolly tik
[23:53:30]<Rathiel> last thing calendaring-
[23:53:38]<Rathiel> next wednesday is our DL attempt
[23:53:44]<Rathiel> i want to see where we are at
[23:53:45]<Cyfirus> wooot
[23:53:46]Nyena gives a triumphant cry!
[23:53:50]<Endlessxchaos> ï'All right!ï(
[23:53:52]Raltga gives a triumphant cry!
[23:53:54]Nyena : relic ponies for ellie!
[23:53:54]Danith : that punk arse is going down.
[23:53:54]<Rathiel> that will be our gauge
[23:53:56]<Kurosawa> ï'All right!ï(
[23:54:00]Tikeru : that means… come prepard!
[23:54:02]Elliedra : yay!
[23:54:04]<Rathiel> the sunday after will also be DL
[23:54:12]<Rathiel> the wednesday after that is special
[23:54:19]<Novina> /
[23:54:21]<Rathiel> we will do ï'Dynamis - Tavnaziaï(
[23:54:28]<Rathiel> by invitation
[23:54:30]Lenneth : o.o
[23:54:32]Ristar : o.O!
[23:54:37]<Kurosawa> awesome
[23:54:40]Endlessxchaos : ï'/cryï(
[23:54:42]<Rathiel> since it can only have 18 people I will pick people from roster
[23:54:46]<Enano> what about this coming sunday?
[23:54:52]<Rathiel> and i will rotate them on next one to get morepeople in
[23:55:02]<Rathiel> this sudnay is meeting number 2
[23:55:11]<Enano> oh ok
[23:55:16]<Rathiel> a lot will be the same stuff but you stillget points for being here
[23:55:22]<Cyfirus> i have done ï'Dynamis - Qufimï( with this ls yet and thats the only win i need for tav ><
[23:55:29]<Rathiel> but sunday people need <3 too
[23:55:32]<Cyfirus> havent*
[23:55:54]Raltga : dont worry cyf i dont have access either, we can hang out here again ;p
[23:55:54]<Rathiel> this first round of ï'Dynamis - Tavnaziaï( we'll get 18 out of the 30 ppl with access in
[23:55:59]Cyfirus : ….
[23:56:03]<Rathiel> then we'll get more people access and more people in etc
[23:56:08]Endlessxchaos : ill hang out w/ u guys :P
[23:56:22]<Rathiel> so no worries we'll try and get everyone through in the first half of hte year- that meants wins and at least
[23:56:23]Belan : same
[23:56:24]<Novina> quick question
[23:56:27]<Rathiel> 1 or 2 tav runs
[23:56:34]<Wolfen> if you aren't invited you will get no points for that day?
[23:56:45]<Wolfen> or in my case don't have access
[23:57:06]<Rathiel> points will not be awarded for that run since it'll make an unfair advantage
[23:57:18]<Rathiel> but it -is- a fun run and you can get cooler gear
[23:57:24]<Rathiel> so it'll be a trade off
[23:57:31]<Cyfirus> i want cooler gear!!! ; ;
[23:57:34]Lenneth pokes Bellafifi.
[23:57:35]<Cyfirus> haha
[23:57:54]<Cyfirus> i should leech ï'Dynamis - Qufimï( win off someone ><
[23:57:58]<Rathiel> ok ther were a few questions please / if i havent answered you yet
[23:58:05]<Wolfen> so if you don't reward points do you deduct points for items gained
[23:58:05]<Ristar> /
[23:58:08]<Novina> /
[23:58:12]<Napalmman> i c
[23:58:16]<Rathiel> I'll see wolf
[23:58:20]<Rathiel> rist yes?
[23:58:21]<Wolfen> k
[23:58:49]<Ristar> so u get points if your not picked to go in and no points if u do go in?
[23:59:08]<Rathiel> lol it'll be like htere wasn't a run that day
[23:59:18]<Ristar> k
[23:59:23]<Rathiel> since it leaves so many people out
[23:59:32]<Rathiel> novi?
[23:59:36]<Novina> are all the start times the same as they used to be or will they be changing?
[23:59:55]<Rathiel> scheduled times will remain the same
[00:00:28]Kurosawa : 8 weds 2 sunday novi
[00:00:41]Novina : is that est?
[00:00:46]Tempestwolf : Aye
[00:00:46]Kurosawa : yes
[00:00:51]<Rathiel> okay that concludes the meeting it is now 10 est- if people are interested we can do Einherjar or something
[00:02:11]<Elliedra> Can't stay on but Thank you Rath for your continued guidance and support. I hope we can all make this a great 2008.
[00:02:30]<Nyena> thank you rath for all the time you put into this ^^
[00:02:30]<Danith> I will drink to that Ellie.
[00:02:36]<Rathiel> okay LS meeting officially over -
